Camerabox Ltd review (aka Digital First review, and The Digital Camera Company review,
LCD box review, or Rapide Distribution) verdict - stay well clear! [Updated]
David Hawley 20:24 15th May 2009
last updated: 22:41 21st June 2011
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** Update **
David Hawley 19:41 15th June 2011
Managing Director Mr Michael Resigns and Camerabox Temporarily Ceases Trading
It seems the managing director of Camerabox has now resigned and as a result Camerabox LTD issued a statement saying:
After the loss of key members of staff, Camerabox Limited has been forced to temporarily cease trading. We will temporarily cease to take any new orders and all existing and unfulfilled orders have been cancelled. Refunds take between 2-14 days or alternatively you can contact your card issuer to issue a dispute and chargeback. Thank you for your co-operation and patience in this difficult period
It seems they've been having problems recently, which is detailed here Why Camerabox has ceased trading
Thanks to all who sent this in, and for anyone that is owed money by camerabox get in touch with your card company straight away!
Camerabox are also now responding to some customers telling them that someone has died and that is why they've ceased trading.
** Update **
David Hawley 19:41 15th June 2011
Camerabox now also LCDBox and Rapide Distribution LTD
It seems the owners of Camerabox are now also running
LCDBox.co.uk. They are run out of the same building and share the same helpline
number as well as camerabox featuring on the LCD box site.
With this strongly suggesting those who are behind Camerabox and it's poor service
are also behind LCD box. Given Camerabox's poor reputation for poor customer service,
I would advise not trying your luck with LCD box either
Camerabox have also been busy setting up a distribution business called
Rapide Distribution LTD. Anyone interested in doing business with
Rapide Distribution LTD would be wise to read this page and the comments
thread first
Tell us about your experience!
Over a year on, and we're still getting thousands of hits on this. We've had plenty
of stories about experiences with camerabox (none good), but we want to hear
your experience! Good or bad! so
Tell Us Your Story
Check out other people's experiences
If you're thinking about buying any cameras, lenses or equipment from
Camerabox.co.uk (aslo trading as The Digital
Camera Company or Digital First)
you'd be strongly advised to not use camerabox, DigitalCameras or DigitalFirst
and look elsewhere.
In this case they have provided a terrible customer service, read on to find out
what service you get...
Camerabox.co.uk, Digital-Cameras.com and DigitalFirst.co.uk same companines, and
terrible customer service from camerabox!
This is a bit of a diversion from the normal wii content, but it's an important
note for any photographers looking at buying from
Camerabox.co.uk, The Digital Camera Company
or Digital First.. It seems according
to their sales representatives on msn, as well as their matching company information
on the site that these three are actually the same company and Camerabox trade as
both 'The Digital Camera Company' and 'Digital First' as well.
Before ordering I'd heard reviews of their poor customer service
and awful handling of customers complaints as well as
tales of inaccurate and dissapointing stock counting
poor after sales service and
plenty of tales of bad experiences. So I thought they can't be that
bad can they?
The Camerbox Experience
I ordered a Canon lens from Camerabox.co.uk and it was delivered promptly next day.
Which was very quick which was great! Sadly from there it all went down hill. I
decided I no longer wanted the product after inspecting it, so within my rights
under the Distance Selling Regulations
(DSRs) I emailed Camerabox to notify them I was cancelling the contract
and could they arrange to pick up the item.
They refused to pick up the item and insisted I send back the item at my own cost.
Under DSRs it states that if a seller wants a customer to return cancelled items
at their own cost they must inform the customer of this in a durable medium. Which
means an email or a letter when you buy the item, but not terms & conditions on
a web page or anything that can be changed later.
This is something which they didn't do, so I pointed out they hadn't provided the
information correctly in which case the law states they should pick the item
up at their cost and issue a full refund including delivery
Eventually they did pick up the item although they took 5 days to begin to process
the refund which should have been done by law as soon as possible after I notified
them I was cancelling. Which is reasonable to assume if you can take
money instantly you can also issue a refund instantly.
Camerabox's interpretation of the law
I checked how much they had refunded and unbelievably they had refunded everything
but the delivery. I asked them to refund the delivery and received this response:
The item was received by us inadequately packaged. No means were taken to ensure
the security of the lens, it was sent back in the box only, with no outer protection
leaving the lens vulnerable to damage but also to theft en route...As a result of
this, we will be enforcing a 10% restocking charge to cover our anticipated loss
on re-selling this item.
You are not entitled to the postage charge back as you requested to send this back
with no fault. As per our returns policy, you are only entitled to your postage
refunded if the items are received faulty.
- The first thing they did was to complain about the packaging which is strange as
that is how it was received. Although when it was received it was in a courier bag,
which had been binned by this point so the item was sent back in its packaging box
they had shipped it in. They proceded to point out it could have been stolen which
is something applicable to any packages whatsoever.
- I'd pointed out many times that the law states delivery should be refunded but as
you can see above they have so far refused to refund something they are legally
obligated to.
- Thirdly, they referred to their returns policy yet again, which I'd previously pointed
out multiple times was null and void as they had not supplied this in a durable
medium as legally required under the DSRs. I dont understand why they keep ignoring
the fact it's law, but it doesn't put them in a good light.
- And yet again at the end of the email, they again are trying to contradict
the law by trying to charge a restocking fee. Another thing the DSRs forbid.
The
advice from the Office of Fair trading clearly states
Who pays for returning the goods if the consumer cancels an order?
If you want the consumer to return the goods and to pay for that return, you must
make it clear in the contract and as part of the required written information...You
are not allowed to make any further charges, such as a restocking charge or an administration
charge.
What are you going to do now Camerabox aren't complying with Distance Selling Regulations?
I have already contacted trading standards, and I will pursue this in court if it
needs be, which would be ridiculous for them as it would also include compensation.
You have been warned about my experience with Camerabox (Digital-Cameras and Digital
First)! Do you want this experience too?
So...Who Should You Buy From?
These are companies I can strongly recommend. They provide good reliable services
and great value for money, and most of all, they are great to deal with when things
go wrong!
Amazon Photography Store
Amazon are reliable and have great prices, and their return system is great and
easy to use, so if you do need to return anything, you know you'll be reunited with
your money.
DigitalRev
DigitalRev always have great prices, definitely worth your time to check out.
What was your experience of camerabox, digital-cameras or digital first?
There are hundreds of you reading this page a month, so what did you think? How
was your camerabox experience? Did you have a bad experience too, or was
yours a good one? let us know!
** Update **
Camerabox.co.uk (or
Digital-Cameras.com, or even DigitalFirst.co.uk)
finally refunded the payment and arrived in my account on the 2nd June, which is
after a month of frustration and around 40 emails.
As a gesture of good will and without prejudice I will arrange the refund of your
postage. This will be in your account within thirty days.
It should never have taken "a gesture of good will" as I'd continually pointed out
I believe it was a legal obligation. I had also contacted
Trading Standards who apparently "advised them on their obligations to honour
consumer’s rights under the Distance Selling Regulations".
Your experiences!
Check out what other people had to say, when they heard our camerabox experience:
Chandler
I just bought a Canon from Camerbox and a lower spec model arived than adversised.
I hand delivered it back to them this morning and now I wait for a refund.
J
was looking at getting a new digital camera from them but was suspicious when saw
other sites with same details etc. sounds like you saved me a great stuff around.
cheers.
N
I also bought a lens from them but my lens developed a small crack to a focus switch
on its side after about two months of ownership. I contacted Camerabox and they
immediately and without examining the lens stated that it was not covered by warranty.
I queried this pointing out that they had not inspected the lens in order to come
to this conclusion. They stated that this was their position but if I wished I could
send the lens to them for repair but at a charge. This I refused stating I would
send it to Nokia. This was done and the lens was fixed under warranty and returned
at no charge to me. Needless to say I will not be dealing with camerabox ever again
and I have told all my friends, family and anybody else who will listen not to buy
from this company.
Keith
I purchased a Nikon lens from them in July this year. Their website looks OK and
their prices are certainly persuasive. They even give two years guarantees. The
lens arrived quickly and worked OK. By now I had read the many sites which rate
this Company. I alrady knew about the way Nikon work regarding carrying out work
on defective goods. It was apparent straight away that the lens was a grey import
without an European Warranty Card and would charge for any repairs within the guarantee
period.
K.
I telephoned them to explain that the Warranty Card was missing and asking them
to forward it to me. I then e-mailed them. This is the reply I received from Gary
Smart. "The Invoice you received works as your warranty with both the manufacturer
and Camerabox." .Nikon who stated categorically that they would not repair anything
without an invoice and valid Warranty Card. Their reply was: "If you are worried
about what Nikon are saying just send the product back to Camerabox while it is
under Nikon warranty and we will work on your behalf." I could see by now that I
was going nowhere fast with this approach so contacted my local Trading Standards
Office voicing my concerns. They apparently got into touch with their colleagues
local to Camerabox Head Office. Although they had knowledge of the Company they
did not feel that their practices or website content had anything sufficient for
them to take action on. I am lucky that the lens I received is still functioning
and have had to need to worry. I will not be taking advantage of Camerabox if it
does develop a fault as I have no confidence at all with their track record. I am
angry that this type of Company is being allowed to carry on trading with blatant
disregard to the Law and good Customer Care practices.
Mike
Ordered a Nikon in Nov and paid for next day delivery. Next day got an e-mail stating
to conyact them which I did by phone. Spoke with "customer servic guy" who said
it was mjust a security check and was satisfied that all was o and was despatching
the camera "as we speak". Camera hadn`t arrived by Wed 2nd Dec so phoned them again
and was told by "customer service guy" that there had been a problem and camera
was being despatched "as we speak". Phoned again on Fri 4th Dec and was told that
the camera was not in stock and that was the reason for the delay, even though the
website stated that there were 17 in stock. Was told they were due in that afternoon
and that he "Alan" would phone me back by 4pm to assure me that the camera was on
its way. Surprise surprise no call and again on Mon 7th Dec no camera. Phoned again
Mon afternoon and was told that the camera was not in stock, informed customer service
guy, Sam, that according to website there were 17 in stock he said "oh so there
is" and its been sent already, when asked for a shipping number for DHL he said
that they wouldn`t have that and that I would have to get it myself from DHL!!!
Again this guy said he would phone me by 10.15am Tues 8th Dec, guess what, still
waiting. Don`t buy from this company they will take your money and try to grind
you down with non existing customer services.
Bill
Previously I had used Camerabox and had no problems whatsoever, but that's where
it ends. In December I ordered lens equipment and today I have received nothing.
I have spent a total of almost 3 hours on the phone to them - every other day, as
they kept saying yes it's on its way it'll arrive tomorrow. Then the lens was "out
of stock" despite the fact I ordered when the stock had just come in. They even
gave me a consignment number on one occasion - needless to say it was not a real
one when I checked it with the carrier. So today I have had enough and my bank are
reclaiming the money. NEVER again!
Talk to Frank
this company kept me waiting for 25 minutes without speaking to anyone. I had to
listen to bloody frank sinatra for all this time!
Luis
This company is a fraud! I ordered a camera that costs almost 700€ from them before
Christmas, paid more to get it after 2 days and the only thing I received was an
e-mail telling me to contact them by phone because there was a problem with the
order. Since it would take almost 2 weeks until the opening of their costumer phone
service I tried to contact them by e-mail and since there was no reply, I've cancelled
the order. Unfortunately, those burglars had already withdrawn the money from my
account and continued not to reply. After sending lots of e-mails they finally replied
when I threat them with a court order, stating that the returns take 30 days! According
to the law, this is wrong, and after pointing this, they continued saying that they
have 30 days to pay and didn't gave an explanation why they are keeping my money.
On the 27th of January I received an e-mail stating that they had already give order
of payment... Today it's the 1st of February and no money so, I'll take them to
court and demand a compensation. I urge all of you who that feels are being robbed
to to the same and also move a complaint against them in other official organs.
They must be stopped.
Chris
Delivery was fast(very poor flimsy packaging)and the lens and filter were great.
EXCEPT i was given two packages by the courier. As i was in a hurry i only opened
one package and was very happy,some time later i opened the other one to find (nearly)
the same items again,except the filter was the wrong size thread. on checking my
bank account i found i had been charged twice i then phoned them i was told to post
it back and my postage cost would be refunded.but i could not find an address to
return it back to. on contacting them by numerous emails,i eventually got their
address to return the un-purchased items. Again after numerous emails and letters
and threats and taking action through my credit card company i have just(09/02/2010)
got my monies £193.97 refunded but not my £6.70 postage costs. Not once have I received
an apology of any kind for their cock up.
Kay
Hi everyone! My experience is wery bad. They were showing 8 Nikon p 6000left in
stock, so i have ordered one.Next day i have called the company how is it with delivery.
They did not even apologize for delay,i keep calling Camerabox every day and same
result,they always waiting for delivery. I dont mind to wait but tell me exactly
when. i can not deicide if to wait 2 more weeks and give them chance or cancel order
an hoping for refund?! Please help
Allister
I read your camerabox experience with interest - here's mine - I've used CameraBox
in the past and also their related company, The Digital Camera Company and found
their service to be excellent. I ordered this yesterday for delivery today as I
needed the camera for a presentation this evening. I phoned to check it was in stock
and it was OK for delivery to a work address. After placing the order I confirmed
with them that the order had been placed correctly and my delivery details being
different from account address - again this was efficiently confirmed and they took
my desk and mobile number, confirming that the Camera would be delivered this afternoon.
Today no camera - when I phoned I was told there was a security problem, however
they did not phone me about this. When I asked what the problem was I was told that
he didn't have to tell me as that was the law. I queried which law, and after repeating
himself, he decided that it didn't matter which law it was as it was their policy.
As I wouldn't get it in time, I asked them to hold the order, whilst I tried local
retailers. This was not successful, so I phoned them back to be told that my order
had been cancelled - despite me asking them not to do this. There was nothing they
could do, and I'd have to place the order again - a bit difficult as I could not
get to a PC. I am very disappointed - poor customer service. As always you only
know how good a company is when something goes wrong - and then it's too late!
N.
How I wish I had seen your reviews before. The order was made late night on Sunday,
therefore we did not expect to get the camera before Tuesday. As it did not arrive,
we checked the e.mail and found that we have to give them a call, only and specifically
a call, for security reasons. That was done on Wednesday, as was explained for security
check, confirming that the camera woudl be dispatched on Thursday and we should
receive it on Friday 26th March 10. That did happen. Another call with the same
response "are you calling for the security check?" with same outcome and for the
delivery to be on Monday 29th March 10. I was flying on Tuesday the 30th March for
1week holiday and made the purchase for that reason based upon their commitment
for next day delivery. Nothing on Monday. And being anxious for the camera, and
more imortantly the money, as the response was incredibly the same "are you calling
for the security check?" we asked to cancel the order and for a full refund. The
so-called customer service adviser replied that he had already authorised the dispatch
and there is nothing he can do as the camera had been disptached for the delivery
next day, i.e. Tuesday. This time we asked for the name and it was Patrick. The
nxet day it was the turn of Richard, as the outcome was identical, and this time
as there is no reason for the order to stand as they had broken their committment
for next day delivery, the request was only for a full refund. Richard confirmed
that he had cancelled the order and made a ful refund which should take 5 working
days to be concluded. Passing the Easter holiday, called again on Monday teh 12th
April 10, this time it was the Trun of another Patrick, Cotter. Same outcome. Another
call on Monday the 26th April 10, Jake's turn. Same outcome. Monday the 17th May
10. Chris's turn. Same outcome. Everytime we call their first reply, after we provide
our order number, would be "are you calling for the security check?" with no record
of previous contacts, as they claim, what so ever. We need our money back. What
do we have to do? As each time we call, being polite, they confirm that they cancelled
the order and the refund would take 5 working days. And the excuses they lay for
the previous adviser not to do that!
Nid.
Ordered late night on Sunday 21st March, based on their next day commitment, as
I was going on a week holiday on Tuesday the 30th March. Checked e.mail and called
them on Wednesday 24th March. Told me that this is a security check, the camera
would be despatched tomorrow, Thursday the 25th, and would be delivered on Friday
the 26th March. Not so. Called again on Friday for a reply " are calling for your
security check?" No, I did that on Wednesday. It's for the delivery that was supposed
to be today. The reply was the delivery would be on Monday the 29th March this time.
Again not so. Called on Monday to get the same response. This time we asked to cancel
the order and get a full refund. The adviser, however, said that he had already
authorised the despatch and for the camera to be delivered tomorrow (Tuesday). After
explaining our situation with the holiday, we accepted the outcome reluctantly,
needless to say. This time we asked for name, and it was Patrick. On Tuesday it
was the turn of Richard, incredibly, with the identical response and with no records
of previous contacts. At the end he concluded that he cancelled the order and the
refund would take 5-7 workig days to take place. Called after the Easter holiday
on Monday the 12th April, this time it was Patrick, another one!, Cotter. Same conclusion.
Monday the 26th April, Jake's turn. Same outcome. Monday the 17th May, Chris's turn.
NO difference. What do we have to do to get our money back. They also don't respond
to e. mails.
Carol
Camerabox - I would never use or recommend terrible customer service and no response
to complaint. Manual not received, no customer service help just told lies, said
manual not available, therefore had to order from cannon at cost of £11.00.
David
Despite advertising 'same day despatch, next day delivery', and charging £7.99 for
it, it didn't actually happen. Customer service didn't respond to emails. I WOULD
NOT recommend this on-line retailer.